Way to go, Tucho! All I can say is, "Thank God." And in a turn of phrase that can only be read as ironic, "...the Dicastery argued that the consecrations represented a rejection of Roman authority...". No truer words were ever spoken, especially since the "authority" of Vatican apostates is nil.. If we're lucky, the Vatican will continue to overplay its hand and the SSPX will experience a groundswell of vocations, support, and conversions from the Conciliar/Synodal monstrosity.
"Well, I appeal to Saint Pius V, who in his bull said that no priest, whoever he is, could incur censorship, and that in perpetuity, for saying this [Traditional Latin] mass. Therefore this excommunication, if there was one, and this censorship, would be absolutely invalid, contrary to what St. Pius V solemnly affirmed in his ever-perpetual bull (see the bull Quo Primum, July 14, 1570)."
Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, September 11, 1976
[translated by Google from the original French text]
not “lucky”.. it’s very likely a wider separation will occur that can be evident to All. do not perceive this as anything but evidence and a call to seriousness with joy
Thank you, Kaylene! I don't know if you raise chickens but we have always been fond of unique-looking chickens who lay variously colored eggs. My avatar is a white-crested Polish rooster, one of our favorites, and they are, indeed, a joy to watch.
Yes it will! When the young boy pointed to the emperor and said, “He has no clothes” the rest of those in attendance sheepishly admitted the boy was correct.
It is an honor to be excommunicated from apostate Rome & the counterfeit V2-Synodal church of darkness.
Venerable Anne Catherine Emmerich (1774-1824, whose visions inspired much of Mel Gibson’s The Passion of the Christ) had seen in her visions a “counterfeit church of darkness” occupying Rome at some time in the future, in an era when she also saw the priest facing the people when saying Mass.
"I saw again the new and odd looking church that they were trying to build. There was nothing holy about it. People did not receive the Body of our Lord but only bread. Then [Jesus] said to me, 'This is Babel'."
I hope you realize that the head of the counterfeit church cannot at the same time be head of the true church. The SSPX seem to have trouble comprehending this (or, are too stubborn to admit it).
Of course people realize that fact. You seem to forget that the true head of the Church is Jesus Christ. Nowhere was His presence more apparent and truly felt than at the Consecrations! Joy!! It is to the Lord Himself to whom we go. And Jesus will correct Babel, and then they will be worthy enough to bring all of True Faith back together.
Look, the FSSPX has not yet renounced all their false teachings, such as denying the infallibility of the Pope, since they still at least publicly claim him to be the Pope. If he is the Pope, he has a right to excommunicate and they have duty of obeying even unjust excommunications.
They truly have to say that part out loud. Otherwise it's wrong both to obey him - since he is a ridiculous heretic leading a false church - and also to disobey him, since they claim to believe he is a Pope, despite the evidence, and Catholics truly have to obey Popes in matters of Faith and Doctrine.
The only way out for them is to stop believing he is a Pope and declare the Seat of Peter vacant. There's no other way! "Qui non est mecum, contra me est."
Not if, like I, recognize that Christ established Peter as the spokesperson among the Apostles, thus I have true belief in the “Chair” of Peter, but am not so blind as to not see when it is either unoccupied at this time, or occupied by the Lawless one, whom Jesus warned us to watch and be aware of (false prophets). That is not ambiguity; we were warned repeatedly in Scripture that there would be false prophets.
I did not fully understand. The FSSPX claims that Prevost is a valid pope, and his predecessors. This is an uncatholic teaching, since a heretic cannot be a Pope.
Further, to justify this teaching despite heresies coming from Vatican since 1958, they have claimed Pope to be not infallible in all his teachings. Simply put, they adhere to recognize-and-resist -position, which is heretical belief.
A lawless Pope cannot exist, he is not a Vicar of Christ if he is a vicar of antichrist. Further, Church cannot promulgate evil laws or doctrines, such as 2nd Vatican council. They truly have to fix this part of their teaching to walk out of this without sin. Same goes for everyone adhering to similar positions.
So were the Germans, who were hiding Jews, but pretending to be with the Nazis, sinning? Should they have come right out and said, “you people are Nazis, and yes, we are hiding Jews because it’s the right thing to do!” The Society and all priests who recognize the truth of what’s going on recognize that not only they, but also their congregations who need access to the sacraments are in a precarious situation. Our situation is different from theirs. We can say whatever we like; their situation is not so clear cut. I think you should give them more credit. You could be right, but it’s not clear to me that you are. The situation of all priests is different from the situation of the laity. They have taken vows that you have not taken. You may be called to call a spade a spade as clearly the SSPX has been called to do, but that does not mean everyone is called to do so. Who sees sees and who hears hears.
The SSPX says there's absolutely no doubt that Bob is the pope and that Bob's sect is absolutely the Catholic Church. That's not what you say.
The SSPX claim that Bob's sect, while being the Mystical Body of Christ, makes use of ceremonies that are harmful to souls. This is a condemned heresy. Either Bob's sect is not the church or the new mass isn't harmful.
All Catholics take a vow to know and serve God. We rely on Good Shepherds, but we are all called to be saints. The way we live our lives in imitation of Christ, we have vowed to do that. And to do that, I rely on the teachings of the great Saints and Doctors of the Church. Those teachings are immutable. Any Church that teaches opposite of the Fathers, Saints, and Doctors of the Catholic Church, they are the ones in disobedience. That’s the best I can do. Along with prayer; pray unceasingly. So I do, and I shall.
Well, their faith statement is there for all to see. Hopefully, many read and realize..they must be excommunicated from the Vatican...or is it the Vatican has excommunicated itself from real Catholicism?
Catholics with open eyes see this for what it really is. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. And “power” is not “authority”. The “ape” church crossed a line that reveals exactly who they are.
“You need MY approval and I won’t even meet with you.” Prevost (AKA Leo AKA the cowardly lion) showed himself for who he really serves and it isn’t Jesus Christ and his Church.
He bows reverently to the wooden idol Pachamama and turns his back upon everything Catholic.
Leo or Prevost or whoever you are, I will pray for your immortal soul. Nobody, not even you, is beyond redemption. And not even Tucho and Fr James Martin.
the downward trajectory the Vatican / New World Order / New Church is hurling towards with great speed-- The Church & The World is well beyond in a 'state of necessity' - The Vatican and many government connections to WEF,WHO,UN and more.
The world architects are secret societies that have designed and controlled the establishment - the architects of the markets, the architects of disease and deadly viruses, the architects of governments around the globe, the architects of the news media—every architect of the seven mountains of influence. It will take an act of God who will show, expose, and rip them all from their places of power as He did with Pharaoh in Egypt. -- The Illuminati, the Bilderbergs, the Freemasons, the Skull and Bones, the Trilateral Commission.
The SSPX is a remnant church which has been chosen in this hour and Jeremiah's 30 prophecy ---- that he must of been shaking his head in confusion. After 3500 years, we understand it now - for we are in the latter days. Many government officials around the world have confirmed verse 6 true, thus it appears this is a prophetic time line.
30:6 Ask now and see whether a man can give birth to a child? Why then do I see every man with his hands on his loins like a woman in labor? Why are all faces turned pale? 24 In the latter days you shall understand this.
I don't believe Rome would have rushed to excommunicate the SSPX bishops if Bishop Michael Goldade hadn't hit such a raw nerve. Sometimes the truth stings more than any canonical penalty.
Watching Fernández "Kissy Tucho" and Prevost (stage name Leo 14), I don't exactly see confidence or consistency. I see mixed messages that make me wonder whether there's more tension inside the Vatican than anyone wants to admit.
It reminds me of Francis's classic stupid joke about the Blessed Trinity "arguing behind closed doors" in 2017. It was meant as a brainless humor, but lately it almost feels like an apt description of Vatican governance. If the Vatican II Church's highest leaders keep sending conflicting signals, they shouldn't be surprised when Catholics start asking uncomfortable questions.
I should say that I know many of the SSPX priests are hard working, well intentioned, and blindly follow (which can be virtuous) their "superiors." I pray that the superiors wake up to reality and to true Catholic ecclesiology.
Regardless of what we think of SSPX, the ceremony was spectacular. The Mass was the 'dream' Mass unlike the fabricated trash 'Pontifical Masses' Prevost had in Africa.
It wasn't a dream if an impostor was named in the Canon. Worship of God and the Sacrifice of Christ are not places for lies. Besides, FSSPX uses their own version of Holy Mass according to 1962 rubrics, which differs from the legitimate Holy Mass according to pre-1955 rubrics, when it comes to certain prayers for example.
Laity may need a canon lawyer just to figure out Rome's dubious "excommunication" criteria. So those of us who are not regulars at a chapel could still be guilty of schism and excommunicated for occasionally attending due to various thought crimes? If we don't harbor disapproved thoughts, it seems we could meet our Sunday obligation at an SSPX Mass offered by an "excommunicated" priest? Our Lord was so good by warning us about the Pharisees and Scribes who, by placing heavy legal burdens on the laity rendered themselves and their decrees invalid.
Sheer nonsense! How can a sodomitic false church excommunicate anyone!? I laugh with disgust and welcome their false badge of honor. There is nothing absolutely nothing Catholic about that rotten filthy sodomitic fake church in Rome and it world wide satanic novus ordo franchises! Rome read Galtians 1:8-10 as that applies to you!!!!
Wow! You attended RCIA? And here you are! A Catholic. The RCIA folks are gnashing their teeth and worried about what Satan will do to them for their failure.
Whenever the Israelites faced a greatly superior force such as the Philistines or the Egyptians, God made sure they were greatly outnumbered and over matched. Then God showed His hand.
When God again shows He is in charge (coming soon) the lines for confession will be miles long.
If only one sinner who repents causes great joy in heaven imagine the party when millions, no billions, acknowledge their errors and beg for God’s mercy.
Yawn. Who cares what Bobby Prevs and the boys say? The authentic Magisterium teaches infallibly that heretics and schismatics wield no authority in the Church. They don’t have the power to bind and loose. Their decrees aren’t worth the paper they’re written on.
Proving you cannot have the true Catholic faith if you want to belong to the Vatican II/synodal church which of course makes sense since it isn't the Catholic Church.
Way to go, Tucho! All I can say is, "Thank God." And in a turn of phrase that can only be read as ironic, "...the Dicastery argued that the consecrations represented a rejection of Roman authority...". No truer words were ever spoken, especially since the "authority" of Vatican apostates is nil.. If we're lucky, the Vatican will continue to overplay its hand and the SSPX will experience a groundswell of vocations, support, and conversions from the Conciliar/Synodal monstrosity.
Also this:
"Well, I appeal to Saint Pius V, who in his bull said that no priest, whoever he is, could incur censorship, and that in perpetuity, for saying this [Traditional Latin] mass. Therefore this excommunication, if there was one, and this censorship, would be absolutely invalid, contrary to what St. Pius V solemnly affirmed in his ever-perpetual bull (see the bull Quo Primum, July 14, 1570)."
Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, September 11, 1976
[translated by Google from the original French text]
not “lucky”.. it’s very likely a wider separation will occur that can be evident to All. do not perceive this as anything but evidence and a call to seriousness with joy
Amen !
Your rooster picture makes smile….they are such funny creatures.
Thank you, Kaylene! I don't know if you raise chickens but we have always been fond of unique-looking chickens who lay variously colored eggs. My avatar is a white-crested Polish rooster, one of our favorites, and they are, indeed, a joy to watch.
Blessings to you in Sydney!
Chickens were a much appreciated part of my childhood. 🌹
Yes it will! When the young boy pointed to the emperor and said, “He has no clothes” the rest of those in attendance sheepishly admitted the boy was correct.
Correct.
It is an honor to be excommunicated from apostate Rome & the counterfeit V2-Synodal church of darkness.
Venerable Anne Catherine Emmerich (1774-1824, whose visions inspired much of Mel Gibson’s The Passion of the Christ) had seen in her visions a “counterfeit church of darkness” occupying Rome at some time in the future, in an era when she also saw the priest facing the people when saying Mass.
"I saw again the new and odd looking church that they were trying to build. There was nothing holy about it. People did not receive the Body of our Lord but only bread. Then [Jesus] said to me, 'This is Babel'."
Amen!
What a blessing to be separated from Babel. Deo Gratias.
I hope you realize that the head of the counterfeit church cannot at the same time be head of the true church. The SSPX seem to have trouble comprehending this (or, are too stubborn to admit it).
Of course people realize that fact. You seem to forget that the true head of the Church is Jesus Christ. Nowhere was His presence more apparent and truly felt than at the Consecrations! Joy!! It is to the Lord Himself to whom we go. And Jesus will correct Babel, and then they will be worthy enough to bring all of True Faith back together.
Look, the FSSPX has not yet renounced all their false teachings, such as denying the infallibility of the Pope, since they still at least publicly claim him to be the Pope. If he is the Pope, he has a right to excommunicate and they have duty of obeying even unjust excommunications.
They truly have to say that part out loud. Otherwise it's wrong both to obey him - since he is a ridiculous heretic leading a false church - and also to disobey him, since they claim to believe he is a Pope, despite the evidence, and Catholics truly have to obey Popes in matters of Faith and Doctrine.
The only way out for them is to stop believing he is a Pope and declare the Seat of Peter vacant. There's no other way! "Qui non est mecum, contra me est."
Not if, like I, recognize that Christ established Peter as the spokesperson among the Apostles, thus I have true belief in the “Chair” of Peter, but am not so blind as to not see when it is either unoccupied at this time, or occupied by the Lawless one, whom Jesus warned us to watch and be aware of (false prophets). That is not ambiguity; we were warned repeatedly in Scripture that there would be false prophets.
I did not fully understand. The FSSPX claims that Prevost is a valid pope, and his predecessors. This is an uncatholic teaching, since a heretic cannot be a Pope.
Further, to justify this teaching despite heresies coming from Vatican since 1958, they have claimed Pope to be not infallible in all his teachings. Simply put, they adhere to recognize-and-resist -position, which is heretical belief.
A lawless Pope cannot exist, he is not a Vicar of Christ if he is a vicar of antichrist. Further, Church cannot promulgate evil laws or doctrines, such as 2nd Vatican council. They truly have to fix this part of their teaching to walk out of this without sin. Same goes for everyone adhering to similar positions.
So were the Germans, who were hiding Jews, but pretending to be with the Nazis, sinning? Should they have come right out and said, “you people are Nazis, and yes, we are hiding Jews because it’s the right thing to do!” The Society and all priests who recognize the truth of what’s going on recognize that not only they, but also their congregations who need access to the sacraments are in a precarious situation. Our situation is different from theirs. We can say whatever we like; their situation is not so clear cut. I think you should give them more credit. You could be right, but it’s not clear to me that you are. The situation of all priests is different from the situation of the laity. They have taken vows that you have not taken. You may be called to call a spade a spade as clearly the SSPX has been called to do, but that does not mean everyone is called to do so. Who sees sees and who hears hears.
The SSPX says there's absolutely no doubt that Bob is the pope and that Bob's sect is absolutely the Catholic Church. That's not what you say.
The SSPX claim that Bob's sect, while being the Mystical Body of Christ, makes use of ceremonies that are harmful to souls. This is a condemned heresy. Either Bob's sect is not the church or the new mass isn't harmful.
No one cares.
1000%
All Catholics take a vow to know and serve God. We rely on Good Shepherds, but we are all called to be saints. The way we live our lives in imitation of Christ, we have vowed to do that. And to do that, I rely on the teachings of the great Saints and Doctors of the Church. Those teachings are immutable. Any Church that teaches opposite of the Fathers, Saints, and Doctors of the Catholic Church, they are the ones in disobedience. That’s the best I can do. Along with prayer; pray unceasingly. So I do, and I shall.
is it possible the SSPX is actually materially excommunicated? lol.. no..
is it possible that Tucho and Company just excommunicated themselves? yes, it’s possible… frighteningly so.
Well, their faith statement is there for all to see. Hopefully, many read and realize..they must be excommunicated from the Vatican...or is it the Vatican has excommunicated itself from real Catholicism?
“the Great King Aslan is on the move…”
Jee wiz…it’s a real worry to be considered un welcome by Leo the pussy .
🤣
I’m sure Leo is doing fist pumps with his “live in” roommate.
Who?
Supposedly it’s a former seminarian who shares his papal apartment. Hush hush of course.
🤨
Blessings and appreciation from Sydney Australia.
The Rosary "break" was a great idea. Brought back fond memories of my pilgrimage to Walsingham, we said the Rosary aloud in the exact intonation.
Catholics with open eyes see this for what it really is. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. And “power” is not “authority”. The “ape” church crossed a line that reveals exactly who they are.
“You need MY approval and I won’t even meet with you.” Prevost (AKA Leo AKA the cowardly lion) showed himself for who he really serves and it isn’t Jesus Christ and his Church.
He bows reverently to the wooden idol Pachamama and turns his back upon everything Catholic.
Leo or Prevost or whoever you are, I will pray for your immortal soul. Nobody, not even you, is beyond redemption. And not even Tucho and Fr James Martin.
the downward trajectory the Vatican / New World Order / New Church is hurling towards with great speed-- The Church & The World is well beyond in a 'state of necessity' - The Vatican and many government connections to WEF,WHO,UN and more.
The world architects are secret societies that have designed and controlled the establishment - the architects of the markets, the architects of disease and deadly viruses, the architects of governments around the globe, the architects of the news media—every architect of the seven mountains of influence. It will take an act of God who will show, expose, and rip them all from their places of power as He did with Pharaoh in Egypt. -- The Illuminati, the Bilderbergs, the Freemasons, the Skull and Bones, the Trilateral Commission.
The SSPX is a remnant church which has been chosen in this hour and Jeremiah's 30 prophecy ---- that he must of been shaking his head in confusion. After 3500 years, we understand it now - for we are in the latter days. Many government officials around the world have confirmed verse 6 true, thus it appears this is a prophetic time line.
30:6 Ask now and see whether a man can give birth to a child? Why then do I see every man with his hands on his loins like a woman in labor? Why are all faces turned pale? 24 In the latter days you shall understand this.
I don't believe Rome would have rushed to excommunicate the SSPX bishops if Bishop Michael Goldade hadn't hit such a raw nerve. Sometimes the truth stings more than any canonical penalty.
Watching Fernández "Kissy Tucho" and Prevost (stage name Leo 14), I don't exactly see confidence or consistency. I see mixed messages that make me wonder whether there's more tension inside the Vatican than anyone wants to admit.
It reminds me of Francis's classic stupid joke about the Blessed Trinity "arguing behind closed doors" in 2017. It was meant as a brainless humor, but lately it almost feels like an apt description of Vatican governance. If the Vatican II Church's highest leaders keep sending conflicting signals, they shouldn't be surprised when Catholics start asking uncomfortable questions.
Good, I can’t wait to see SSPX declares themselves as Sedevacantists.
I wish ….but I don’t think so .
Too proud and stubborn. Will never happen. Bad for sales. $SPX
I should say that I know many of the SSPX priests are hard working, well intentioned, and blindly follow (which can be virtuous) their "superiors." I pray that the superiors wake up to reality and to true Catholic ecclesiology.
Regardless of what we think of SSPX, the ceremony was spectacular. The Mass was the 'dream' Mass unlike the fabricated trash 'Pontifical Masses' Prevost had in Africa.
It wasn't a dream if an impostor was named in the Canon. Worship of God and the Sacrifice of Christ are not places for lies. Besides, FSSPX uses their own version of Holy Mass according to 1962 rubrics, which differs from the legitimate Holy Mass according to pre-1955 rubrics, when it comes to certain prayers for example.
Laity may need a canon lawyer just to figure out Rome's dubious "excommunication" criteria. So those of us who are not regulars at a chapel could still be guilty of schism and excommunicated for occasionally attending due to various thought crimes? If we don't harbor disapproved thoughts, it seems we could meet our Sunday obligation at an SSPX Mass offered by an "excommunicated" priest? Our Lord was so good by warning us about the Pharisees and Scribes who, by placing heavy legal burdens on the laity rendered themselves and their decrees invalid.
Sheer nonsense! How can a sodomitic false church excommunicate anyone!? I laugh with disgust and welcome their false badge of honor. There is nothing absolutely nothing Catholic about that rotten filthy sodomitic fake church in Rome and it world wide satanic novus ordo franchises! Rome read Galtians 1:8-10 as that applies to you!!!!
RCI now more than ever.
Don’t know about that…when I attended RCIA their main focus was ….food. And junk food at that .
I believe she means the Roman Catholic Institute which is sedevacantist.
Wow! You attended RCIA? And here you are! A Catholic. The RCIA folks are gnashing their teeth and worried about what Satan will do to them for their failure.
I teach RCIA and teach Traditional Catholicism
Where the heck is God in all this??? At what point is He going to come down and clean up shop? It’s getting to be too much
His Days of Wrath is coming. To the confession and come to the New Mass never anymore.
Our ways are not His ways.
Whenever the Israelites faced a greatly superior force such as the Philistines or the Egyptians, God made sure they were greatly outnumbered and over matched. Then God showed His hand.
When God again shows He is in charge (coming soon) the lines for confession will be miles long.
If only one sinner who repents causes great joy in heaven imagine the party when millions, no billions, acknowledge their errors and beg for God’s mercy.
For the rest? Millstones.
Too much ….may well be a good thing . Perhaps Leo forgets , that he is not….God .
I think we will need to suffer more
We suffer every minute of every day my friend.. how much longer? It’s rather exhausting
Yawn. Who cares what Bobby Prevs and the boys say? The authentic Magisterium teaches infallibly that heretics and schismatics wield no authority in the Church. They don’t have the power to bind and loose. Their decrees aren’t worth the paper they’re written on.
Precisely Father.
Proving you cannot act like a Sedevacanttist without being treated like a Sedevacantist.
Proving you cannot have the true Catholic faith if you want to belong to the Vatican II/synodal church which of course makes sense since it isn't the Catholic Church.