John 16:1-4: These things have I spoken to you, that you may not be scandalized. They will put you out of the synagogues: yea, the hour cometh, that whosoever killeth you, will think that he doth a service to God. And these things will they do to you; because they have not known the Father, nor me. But these things I have told you, that when the hour shall come, you may remember that I told you of them...
Like I always say- whenever the hierarchy deviates in ANY FORM from revealed truth, they have excommunicated themselves by their actions. Ergo: Their pronouncements have no binding force!
Both the 1917 and 1983 Codes of Canon law have canons that define this issue explicitly, even to the point of latae sententiae, being automatic without need of judgment, excommunication. So we laity do not need to rely on personal judgment.
You won't be suffering though. The SSPX is functionally independent and excommunication by an antipope with no temporal jurisdiction over you won't affect you personally whatsoever. Maybe you'll suffer in the straining of some interpersonal relation but if not, this all amounts to nothing.
Technically, there is no contemporary evidence he was ever excommunicated by the Pope. The claims he was excommunicated were made well after the fact. No contemporary of the Arian crisis refers to Arius as having been excommunicated.
When "All religions are a path to God", what difference can it make to these public heretics and apostates what the SSPX does? I'm happy however if the fake Pope excommunicates the SSPX and their faithful from their sect, that way the SSPX will be forced to deal with this reality that they have been avoiding for all these decades.
I predict there will be zero Catholics who already attend SSPX chapels who will stop doing so if threatened by excommunication. I don't think they'd even switch from attending Mass at SSPX chapels to attending Mass at FSSP chapels. Hey, Leo, MAKE MY DAY!
I’d rather take that title then bend the knee. Jesus called the Jews many things. Perfidious comes to mind. The Jews called Jesus many things as well. So I’m good. SSPX proceed.
I'm not sure what really changes. Faithful Catholics are already in schism from the prophesized ape church hierarchy infested with criminals and lavendar apostates.
I think that if you truly believe the Nicene Creed and adhere to the Magesterium of the Church that has stood for millennia, then you are with Peter. Just as 'The Church' has approved, say, Lords and Fatima, we are not bound to believe in them (although I do). So a pastoral council does not bind either. To suggest that you must believe in VII to be a Catholic is an abomination.
Even though V2 is a false council convened & concluded by false popes & is called a "Pastoral Council," it has 2 dogmatic constitutions & Paul VI declared that everything from the council is binding on Catholics. Leo is in effect saying the same thing now. The diabolical Revolution needs to make V2 binding on all.
The Arlington, Virginia, diocese is inviting the FSSP to open a chapel. The SSPX is already active there, and the diocese doesn't like that. But before Francis put the screws on the Traditional Mass, it was being offered in 21 churches in that diocese. Now it is offered in three churches and five other places. Bishop Burbidge, when you punch people in the nose like that, what do you expect them to do? You already had a great mechanism -- 21 churches with the Old Mass -- for keeping the SSPX at bay. But it was more important for you to obey Francis and ignore your people. And now you invite the FSSP as a "kindness.".
If I recall right, he's the guy that asked Rome if he should allow all those Latin Masses in his diocese? Very predictably Rome said no, suggesting he is either very naive or disengenous or both.
One wishes the bishop had resisted Rome a bit more. Maybe he did behind the scenes, I don't know. If he had refused Francis and instead stood up for his people, would Francis have dumped him? Maybe. But, hey, go out with honor. Rome's attitude toward he faithful who want the Old Mass seems to be "The beatings will continue morale improves."
Since 2013, I had a suspicion Rome was looking to push "conservative" Catholics to the SSPX, then excommunicate them and call them schismatic, thus making the Catholic Faith anathema to those who want to be Catholic, yet recognize Conciliar Rome as legitimate. And here we are.
Let’s see……hmmm? Being excommunicated from a Satanic organization run by homosexual deviants? Seems to me a good way to go. What an honor to be excommunicated from the religious mafia claiming to be the Catholic Church.
If you seek acceptance from the Synodal organization here’s how it’s done
1. Become a Muslim
2. If you’re heterosexual STOP! Turn queer. Identify as LGBTQ+WXYZ
3. Become an Anglican. They’re already in schism so how much worse can it get!
4. Join the MBLA! That’s the pro pedo group right? Man Boy Love Association. Besides so many priests, bishops, cardinals and even a pope or two are honorary members.
5. Divorce your spouse. Bring your new love interest, man or woman and come to communion anyway.
Face the facts. This garbage that claims to be “Catholic” isn’t, not anymore. Hasn’t been for decades. They are waaay past “mortal sin” territory. They want your soul in hell. Just stay away from anything related to Novus Ordo.
Put on your spiritual armor because more arrows are heading our way.
I would add to your list, please. #6: Join Greta Thunberg on her next mission to save the planet and Mother Earth and bring a little tree from the Amazon rainforest to plant in the Vatican Gardens next to the statue of Pachamama so that Pachamama feels at home. #7: Demand that the bishop begin training female deacons and if you are a female, apply for entry to the diocesan seminary. #8: Spy on the professors at your diocesan seminary to see if any of them are teaching orthodox authentically Catholic doctrines and then report them to the bishop so they can be fired. Everyone ought to add to your list because we've barely scratched the tip of the iceberg.
Prime should come out with a miniseries on the post Vatican II Synodal church. It would be a comedic series of course. Either that or a dark dystopian thing. We could all sit back and laugh at the stupidity. I don’t know what’s funnier. The cast of characters in the pointy hats or the Catholic commentators who take the Synodal church seriously. Filming it in the Paul VI snake hall would be fitting.
1. This is an extraordinarily cruel abuse of power and authority that is in essence satanic.
2. This is actually a very good thing since it will force not only the clergy but the laity as well to get off the fence and take a real stand for Jesus Christ and the One True Faith.
As I have written repeatedly this is not about the Mass and the other liturgical rites. This is and always has been about the One True Faith. Everyone will be forced to take a side either for it or against it. There is no middle ground. If for any individual it was only about the Mass… guess what? You have been a crypto-modernist heretic. The only thing preventing your damnation is the possibility your ignorance was invincible. Now you must take a stand, and it’s not a stand for the SSPX or the CMRI or whatever group: it’s a stand for or against Christ. You are either His friend or His enemy.
The SSPX is also going to have to firmly clarify their position and declare for or against Christ. They have been sitting on the fence far too long. The FSSP, ICKSP, etc. have chosen to be enemies of Christ. They caved under pressure to play dress up in lace and brocade. Will the SSPX follow in their footsteps? Hopefully not. Hopefully they will follow the example of the FSSR, Bishop Roy, and all who stand for Christ. Time will tell. But make no mistake. A choice will be made. "Qui non est mecum, contra me est; et qui non congregat mecum, spargit” (Mt22:30).
You’d think that after 25-30 years of trying to get a deal with modernist Rome, and losing 50 priests and a bishop over the matter, the faithful would be quite disturbed to learn they’re about to become excommunicates, having been told all this time the conciliar church is the Catholic Church, and they need to be a part of it.
Ironically, they are all about to become resistance despite themselves, and actually be in a worse canonical position than the Resistance they reviled!
Yes, they’ll lose a big chunk of those who only came because BXVI and Francis removed the legal obstacles and gave jurisdiction for the sacraments, since those same obstacles are about to be reimplemented with a vengeance.
But the typical cult member in the pew who watched the SSPX abandon Lefebvre in 2012 without any particular interest will just as easily revert to the opposite position again, in their mindless fidelity to the party, because they’re too socially, economically, and spiritually invested in their identification with the SSPX to do any of their own thinking.
I think it would be the dumbest move the Vatican can make.
Due to his calm demeanor and sending his lackeys to be cruel to faithful catholics instead of himself, Leo has an overall image of kindness and compassion to normie Catholics. To "excommunicate" everyone would open many eyes to the wolf he is.
I don't think this will come as a shock for very many of us, as we have been following these events very closely. Most of the attendees at my chapel say "big deal." We don't feel that apostate Rome has any authority to excommunicate anyone, so bring it on! Maybe the rest of the so-called "Catholic" world will begin to see that something is very, very rotten in Rome; and maybe the Society will finally realize that it's position of recognizing Chicago Bob as the Pope and yet defying his authority is totally illogical and uncatholic. It's time to join the Transalpines and admit that the Sin-odal church is a new religion. Why is everyone so stinking afraid of being called a sedevacantist? Sticks and stones, folks!
Not just the Sin-odal church is a new religion, but V2 was a false council convened & concluded by false popes, & the approval & application of its documents created a new religion under Judeo-Masonic control.
John 16:1-4: These things have I spoken to you, that you may not be scandalized. They will put you out of the synagogues: yea, the hour cometh, that whosoever killeth you, will think that he doth a service to God. And these things will they do to you; because they have not known the Father, nor me. But these things I have told you, that when the hour shall come, you may remember that I told you of them...
The truth
As a third order postulant I say, to suffer for Christ is to gain. Bring it on.
Like I always say- whenever the hierarchy deviates in ANY FORM from revealed truth, they have excommunicated themselves by their actions. Ergo: Their pronouncements have no binding force!
Amen!
Both the 1917 and 1983 Codes of Canon law have canons that define this issue explicitly, even to the point of latae sententiae, being automatic without need of judgment, excommunication. So we laity do not need to rely on personal judgment.
But we only need the valid 1917 Code. Changes in anything since the 1958 papal usurper John XXIII are invalid.
Amen!
The act would be invalid by the law itself…It’s what God sees that matters-,not Rome!
As I always point out: heretics can't excommunicate Catholics!
PRECISELY THE POINT! And we all know Cupich was behind the 2025 Conclave!
Snd Satan was behind Cupich.
PRECISELY!!!🎉🎉
ABSOLUTELY!!!!
You won't be suffering though. The SSPX is functionally independent and excommunication by an antipope with no temporal jurisdiction over you won't affect you personally whatsoever. Maybe you'll suffer in the straining of some interpersonal relation but if not, this all amounts to nothing.
It will be interesting to see how many laity return to NO parishes from SSPX.
And then what? Cave into liberalism and modernism, loose their souls and burn in hell?
Not me
Yup, buddy!
St. Athanasius was excommunicated four times during the Arian crisis.
Amen!
And look what happened to Arius (https://www.ewtn.com/catholicism/library/why-did-arius-die-such-a-death-12255.)
Technically, there is no contemporary evidence he was ever excommunicated by the Pope. The claims he was excommunicated were made well after the fact. No contemporary of the Arian crisis refers to Arius as having been excommunicated.
When "All religions are a path to God", what difference can it make to these public heretics and apostates what the SSPX does? I'm happy however if the fake Pope excommunicates the SSPX and their faithful from their sect, that way the SSPX will be forced to deal with this reality that they have been avoiding for all these decades.
Amen!
I predict there will be zero Catholics who already attend SSPX chapels who will stop doing so if threatened by excommunication. I don't think they'd even switch from attending Mass at SSPX chapels to attending Mass at FSSP chapels. Hey, Leo, MAKE MY DAY!
Amen!
Every SSPX parishoner is keenly aware of what is going on. They have already made their choices.
I’d rather take that title then bend the knee. Jesus called the Jews many things. Perfidious comes to mind. The Jews called Jesus many things as well. So I’m good. SSPX proceed.
Amen!
The Jewish Talmud says Jesus is the bastard son of a Roman soldier & a Jewish prostitute & is now immersed in boiling excrement in hell.
And the V2 sect calls them our venerable "Elder Brethren in the Faith" with whom we should engage in fruitful dialogue.
Please help me understand one issue. How can a heretic excommunicate anyone since they are no longer Catholic (if these heretics were EVER Catholic!)?
Remember, they will only "excommunicate" you from the Synodal Church, NOT the Catholic Church. It is a fat joke.
I'm not sure what really changes. Faithful Catholics are already in schism from the prophesized ape church hierarchy infested with criminals and lavendar apostates.
I think that if you truly believe the Nicene Creed and adhere to the Magesterium of the Church that has stood for millennia, then you are with Peter. Just as 'The Church' has approved, say, Lords and Fatima, we are not bound to believe in them (although I do). So a pastoral council does not bind either. To suggest that you must believe in VII to be a Catholic is an abomination.
VII is a golden idol to these people.
Even though V2 is a false council convened & concluded by false popes & is called a "Pastoral Council," it has 2 dogmatic constitutions & Paul VI declared that everything from the council is binding on Catholics. Leo is in effect saying the same thing now. The diabolical Revolution needs to make V2 binding on all.
The Arlington, Virginia, diocese is inviting the FSSP to open a chapel. The SSPX is already active there, and the diocese doesn't like that. But before Francis put the screws on the Traditional Mass, it was being offered in 21 churches in that diocese. Now it is offered in three churches and five other places. Bishop Burbidge, when you punch people in the nose like that, what do you expect them to do? You already had a great mechanism -- 21 churches with the Old Mass -- for keeping the SSPX at bay. But it was more important for you to obey Francis and ignore your people. And now you invite the FSSP as a "kindness.".
If I recall right, he's the guy that asked Rome if he should allow all those Latin Masses in his diocese? Very predictably Rome said no, suggesting he is either very naive or disengenous or both.
One wishes the bishop had resisted Rome a bit more. Maybe he did behind the scenes, I don't know. If he had refused Francis and instead stood up for his people, would Francis have dumped him? Maybe. But, hey, go out with honor. Rome's attitude toward he faithful who want the Old Mass seems to be "The beatings will continue morale improves."
Since 2013, I had a suspicion Rome was looking to push "conservative" Catholics to the SSPX, then excommunicate them and call them schismatic, thus making the Catholic Faith anathema to those who want to be Catholic, yet recognize Conciliar Rome as legitimate. And here we are.
As the late great Rush Limbaugh would say: "Ditto!"
Let’s see……hmmm? Being excommunicated from a Satanic organization run by homosexual deviants? Seems to me a good way to go. What an honor to be excommunicated from the religious mafia claiming to be the Catholic Church.
If you seek acceptance from the Synodal organization here’s how it’s done
1. Become a Muslim
2. If you’re heterosexual STOP! Turn queer. Identify as LGBTQ+WXYZ
3. Become an Anglican. They’re already in schism so how much worse can it get!
4. Join the MBLA! That’s the pro pedo group right? Man Boy Love Association. Besides so many priests, bishops, cardinals and even a pope or two are honorary members.
5. Divorce your spouse. Bring your new love interest, man or woman and come to communion anyway.
Face the facts. This garbage that claims to be “Catholic” isn’t, not anymore. Hasn’t been for decades. They are waaay past “mortal sin” territory. They want your soul in hell. Just stay away from anything related to Novus Ordo.
Put on your spiritual armor because more arrows are heading our way.
I would add to your list, please. #6: Join Greta Thunberg on her next mission to save the planet and Mother Earth and bring a little tree from the Amazon rainforest to plant in the Vatican Gardens next to the statue of Pachamama so that Pachamama feels at home. #7: Demand that the bishop begin training female deacons and if you are a female, apply for entry to the diocesan seminary. #8: Spy on the professors at your diocesan seminary to see if any of them are teaching orthodox authentically Catholic doctrines and then report them to the bishop so they can be fired. Everyone ought to add to your list because we've barely scratched the tip of the iceberg.
Prime should come out with a miniseries on the post Vatican II Synodal church. It would be a comedic series of course. Either that or a dark dystopian thing. We could all sit back and laugh at the stupidity. I don’t know what’s funnier. The cast of characters in the pointy hats or the Catholic commentators who take the Synodal church seriously. Filming it in the Paul VI snake hall would be fitting.
Wow! We should start a thread.
There must be at least a dozen more ways to endear yourself to the Synodal garbage
1. This is an extraordinarily cruel abuse of power and authority that is in essence satanic.
2. This is actually a very good thing since it will force not only the clergy but the laity as well to get off the fence and take a real stand for Jesus Christ and the One True Faith.
As I have written repeatedly this is not about the Mass and the other liturgical rites. This is and always has been about the One True Faith. Everyone will be forced to take a side either for it or against it. There is no middle ground. If for any individual it was only about the Mass… guess what? You have been a crypto-modernist heretic. The only thing preventing your damnation is the possibility your ignorance was invincible. Now you must take a stand, and it’s not a stand for the SSPX or the CMRI or whatever group: it’s a stand for or against Christ. You are either His friend or His enemy.
The SSPX is also going to have to firmly clarify their position and declare for or against Christ. They have been sitting on the fence far too long. The FSSP, ICKSP, etc. have chosen to be enemies of Christ. They caved under pressure to play dress up in lace and brocade. Will the SSPX follow in their footsteps? Hopefully not. Hopefully they will follow the example of the FSSR, Bishop Roy, and all who stand for Christ. Time will tell. But make no mistake. A choice will be made. "Qui non est mecum, contra me est; et qui non congregat mecum, spargit” (Mt22:30).
The Holy Ghost is on the move.
This is exactly what Malachi Martin said. We will have to choose.
Martin revealed a number of true things in his "limited hangout" manner, but he was actually a double agent serving the Judeo-Masonic powers.
See "You REALLY think you know Malachi Martin?"
https://rumble.com/v359b0a-you-really-think-you-know-malachi-martin.html
Also https://www.revisionisthistory.org/wire3.html
I pray that the SSPX isn’t simply the controlled opposition. My priory in Florida is strong.
Do you believe "the FSSP, ICKSP, etc" do not adhere to the One True Faith?
They do not. They are modernists. They accept Vatican II and its heretical teachings as well as the heretical teachings of every pope since 1958.
You’d think that after 25-30 years of trying to get a deal with modernist Rome, and losing 50 priests and a bishop over the matter, the faithful would be quite disturbed to learn they’re about to become excommunicates, having been told all this time the conciliar church is the Catholic Church, and they need to be a part of it.
Ironically, they are all about to become resistance despite themselves, and actually be in a worse canonical position than the Resistance they reviled!
Yes, they’ll lose a big chunk of those who only came because BXVI and Francis removed the legal obstacles and gave jurisdiction for the sacraments, since those same obstacles are about to be reimplemented with a vengeance.
But the typical cult member in the pew who watched the SSPX abandon Lefebvre in 2012 without any particular interest will just as easily revert to the opposite position again, in their mindless fidelity to the party, because they’re too socially, economically, and spiritually invested in their identification with the SSPX to do any of their own thinking.
“We have ALWAYS been at war with Eastasia!”
I think it would be the dumbest move the Vatican can make.
Due to his calm demeanor and sending his lackeys to be cruel to faithful catholics instead of himself, Leo has an overall image of kindness and compassion to normie Catholics. To "excommunicate" everyone would open many eyes to the wolf he is.
Exactly!
Anti-pope Leo is going to excommunicate EVERYONE who doesn't pinch a bit of incense to Pachamama and to the Synodal god? It's ALL the same, isn't it?
I don't think this will come as a shock for very many of us, as we have been following these events very closely. Most of the attendees at my chapel say "big deal." We don't feel that apostate Rome has any authority to excommunicate anyone, so bring it on! Maybe the rest of the so-called "Catholic" world will begin to see that something is very, very rotten in Rome; and maybe the Society will finally realize that it's position of recognizing Chicago Bob as the Pope and yet defying his authority is totally illogical and uncatholic. It's time to join the Transalpines and admit that the Sin-odal church is a new religion. Why is everyone so stinking afraid of being called a sedevacantist? Sticks and stones, folks!
Not just the Sin-odal church is a new religion, but V2 was a false council convened & concluded by false popes, & the approval & application of its documents created a new religion under Judeo-Masonic control.
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