This shift has led to a watering down of essential Church teachings, resulting in confusion, diminished evangelisation efforts, and a growing trend of religious indifferentism.
This article is the best writing in the subject I have ever come across. It is clear, concise, and well reasoned. And it is rooted firmly in Truth. Vatican II created a man made—or rather demon made—ape of the One True Church that flows from the opened side of Christ. It has taken much thought and study to reach the conclusion that Vatican II and everything that comes from it must be totally excised and rejected for the modernist cancer it is. May God raise up another Athanasius in our time.
Pray the Rosary daily for our Priests and Our Church. Take part in the Sacraments often and stay in the state of Grace so our Lord may use us as he will.
What Unitatis Redintegratio, which explicitly says that heretical and schismatic sects are "avenues of grace", as well as their worship services? And LG says these same sects are part of God's salvific plan. Those are clear rejections of the Magisterium.
The 1913 Catholic Encyclopedia defines "indefectability" as not leading souls astray. You are arguing that V2 leads souls astray...which means V2 cannot be from the Catholic Church...
V2 is indeed a conundrum for traditional Catholics. Our Lord tells us "let your yes mean yes and your no mean no." God despises obfuscation. How can the deliberate ambiguity of V2 documents possibly be a fruit of the Holy Spirit?
"The salvation of those outside the visible Church was acknowledged in limited cases, particularly through the concepts of "baptism of desire" and "invincible ignorance." However, these exceptions did not negate the fundamental necessity of belonging to the Catholic Church for salvation. The emphasis remained on the visible, sacramental, and hierarchical nature of the Church as the ordinary means of grace and salvation."
In the above quote from the article there in lies the problem and the reason why Vat II can assert without fear of contradiction that those outside the Church can be saved. It could continue on and explain how this can take place by reference to the Invincible Ignorance and the Baptism of Desire clause but no need really to do that since the premise itself was already a given as the existence of such a clause was in place going into Vat II despite no such allowance or caveat being present in the pre vat2 infallible papal declarations. Indeed, I myself can find it hard to muster a sense of urgency in trying to win over my protestant friends to Catholicism since they can likely qualify for salvation where they are.
It's a bit like the abortion issue; open the door a fraction and allow just even one exception for a special case ( eg rape) and very soon the doors are open wide and all can qualiify, the underlying premise of hitherto there being no exceptions having been abolished.
What about altar girls and women reading scripture at mass? What about the women who attend mass dressed as harlots while simultaneously sexualizing their daughters? Modesty is deceased! And why doesn't the priests address these issues? Nothing is ever challenged.
Wonderful quotes from our saints and Church doctors. Sadly, contemporary Catholic "ecumenism"has gone straight into the ditch due to V2 indoctrination and wayward popes. A "conservative" Catholic youtube channel recently quoted, in an approving way, a Catholic priest saying that non-Catholics (including Hindus and Muslims) would be judged by God for how well they adhered to the tenets of their religion. Shockingly, most of the commenters approved of this nonsense; modern Catholics like to feel good about not being "judgmental" and are embarrassed about the doctrine of no salvation outside the Catholic Church because it is a hard teaching. Should this surprise us when "nice guy" popular authorities like Bishop Barren tell wayward souls like Ben Shapiro that the Catholic Church is only the "priviledged" way to salvation, not the only way?
This article is the best writing in the subject I have ever come across. It is clear, concise, and well reasoned. And it is rooted firmly in Truth. Vatican II created a man made—or rather demon made—ape of the One True Church that flows from the opened side of Christ. It has taken much thought and study to reach the conclusion that Vatican II and everything that comes from it must be totally excised and rejected for the modernist cancer it is. May God raise up another Athanasius in our time.
We need more Saints. A lot more.
Pray the Rosary daily for our Priests and Our Church. Take part in the Sacraments often and stay in the state of Grace so our Lord may use us as he will.
What Unitatis Redintegratio, which explicitly says that heretical and schismatic sects are "avenues of grace", as well as their worship services? And LG says these same sects are part of God's salvific plan. Those are clear rejections of the Magisterium.
The 1913 Catholic Encyclopedia defines "indefectability" as not leading souls astray. You are arguing that V2 leads souls astray...which means V2 cannot be from the Catholic Church...
V2 is indeed a conundrum for traditional Catholics. Our Lord tells us "let your yes mean yes and your no mean no." God despises obfuscation. How can the deliberate ambiguity of V2 documents possibly be a fruit of the Holy Spirit?
Well, the Magisterium is quite clear: not only is ambiguity not from the Holy Ghost, it is definitely not from the Catholic Church.
"The salvation of those outside the visible Church was acknowledged in limited cases, particularly through the concepts of "baptism of desire" and "invincible ignorance." However, these exceptions did not negate the fundamental necessity of belonging to the Catholic Church for salvation. The emphasis remained on the visible, sacramental, and hierarchical nature of the Church as the ordinary means of grace and salvation."
In the above quote from the article there in lies the problem and the reason why Vat II can assert without fear of contradiction that those outside the Church can be saved. It could continue on and explain how this can take place by reference to the Invincible Ignorance and the Baptism of Desire clause but no need really to do that since the premise itself was already a given as the existence of such a clause was in place going into Vat II despite no such allowance or caveat being present in the pre vat2 infallible papal declarations. Indeed, I myself can find it hard to muster a sense of urgency in trying to win over my protestant friends to Catholicism since they can likely qualify for salvation where they are.
It's a bit like the abortion issue; open the door a fraction and allow just even one exception for a special case ( eg rape) and very soon the doors are open wide and all can qualiify, the underlying premise of hitherto there being no exceptions having been abolished.
What about altar girls and women reading scripture at mass? What about the women who attend mass dressed as harlots while simultaneously sexualizing their daughters? Modesty is deceased! And why doesn't the priests address these issues? Nothing is ever challenged.
Wonderful quotes from our saints and Church doctors. Sadly, contemporary Catholic "ecumenism"has gone straight into the ditch due to V2 indoctrination and wayward popes. A "conservative" Catholic youtube channel recently quoted, in an approving way, a Catholic priest saying that non-Catholics (including Hindus and Muslims) would be judged by God for how well they adhered to the tenets of their religion. Shockingly, most of the commenters approved of this nonsense; modern Catholics like to feel good about not being "judgmental" and are embarrassed about the doctrine of no salvation outside the Catholic Church because it is a hard teaching. Should this surprise us when "nice guy" popular authorities like Bishop Barren tell wayward souls like Ben Shapiro that the Catholic Church is only the "priviledged" way to salvation, not the only way?
Spot on ! Again! Many thanks! 🙏